The NIH Grants Behind the Karikó–Weissman Research

On a 2025 podcast, Dr. Bryan Ardis said that Katalin Karikó and Drew Weissman — who shared the 2023 Nobel Prize for discoveries that, in the Nobel committee’s words, “enabled the development of effective mRNA vaccines against COVID-19” — “were funded by the NIH starting in 2009 to develop these COVID-19 mRNA vaccines.” That is a statement about paperwork, and the paperwork is public. The U.S. National Institutes of Health (NIH) publishes every grant it awards in a free database called NIH RePORTER, and every scientific paper prints a sentence saying who paid for the work. This page sets his words beside those two kinds of document, quoted exactly, so you can compare them line by line.

Here is what the documents contain. RePORTER lists 19 NIH projects with Karikó or Weissman as a principal investigator, the first beginning in 1998: HIV vaccine and HIV-prevention research, an mRNA treatment for anemia run through their small company, one year of a stroke-biology grant, a grant to deliver an RNA-encoded antigen by mouth, and — from 2017 — gene editing, heart and blood-vessel delivery, a C. difficile vaccine, transplant research and liver disease. Section 7 shows where the record meets COVID-19: a 2020 mouse study from Weissman’s laboratory that names his 2016 HIV-vaccine grant among its funding. This page is about money and paperwork; the vaccines’ safety record is on the hub page, under The Safety Record, Honestly.

Table of Contents

  1. What Dr. Ardis Says About the Funding
  2. How to Read an NIH Grant Record
  3. The Grants, Decade by Decade
  4. What the Papers Themselves Declare
  5. What Began in 2009
  6. “Anthony Fauci’s Department”
  7. Where COVID-19 Enters the Record
  8. Their Small Company, RNARx
  9. How to Check the Record Yourself
  10. Key Research Papers
  11. Connections
  12. Featured Videos

1. What Dr. Ardis Says About the Funding

Dr. Ardis has made the funding point in at least two places, and his own show has titled a clip on it. Here are his words as published.

The 2025 podcast

On Culture Apothecary with Alex Clark, a Turning Point USA podcast, in the episode “Nicotine Is NOT the Villain: What Big Pharma Hides From Parents | Dr. Bryan Ardis, DC” (aired May 2025, one hour long), at 29:03 in the read-along transcript. The auto-generated transcript spells the names “Cataline Carico”; they are spelled correctly here.

Their names are Katalin Karikó and Drew Weissman. And when you go look at their research studies, they were funded by the NIH starting in 2009 to develop these COVID-19 mRNA vaccines. Strange. And in every one of those research studies, they state snake venom phosphodiesterase, snake venom…

The film Watch the Water 2

In the Stew Peters film Watch the Water 2, from the full transcript published on 15 January 2024 (two words are trimmed, marked […]):

My concerns over why the vaccines have snake venom in it is because the two people credited with creating the Covid19 mRNA shots, their names are Drew Wiseman [sic] and Katalin Karikó at the University of Pennsylvania. So in every one of their […] studies since 2009, being paid for by Anthony Fauci and the NIH to do mRNA gene therapy…..that’s the funding declaration on their studies…. ‘We are funded by the NIH NIAID Department, Anthony Fauci’s Department to do mRNA gene therapy.’ Every study since 2009, 2011, 2012, 2015….every single one of their […] studies says that in order to cleave…cut RNA or DNA, they use snake venom phosphodiesterase….

A clip title on his own show

His show posted a clip titled “Covid Vax Synthetic Snake Venom Research Funded by NIH Grant to mRNA Scientists Katalin Kariko and Drew Weissman 2008 & 2011” — naming 2008 and 2011, the years of the two joint papers in which the words “snake venom” appear. Both papers’ funding sentences are copied word for word in section 4.

Taken together, his words make four statements that documents can be set beside: that the NIH funding began in 2009; that the money was to develop the COVID-19 mRNA vaccines, or to “do mRNA gene therapy”; that it came through NIAID, “Anthony Fauci’s Department”; and that the papers’ funding declarations say so. Sections 3 to 7 take them in turn. The other half of the same sentence — snake venom phosphodiesterase — has its own page, Snake Venom Phosphodiesterase in the Karikó–Weissman Papers, and the D-dimer blood test that led him to these papers is on D-Dimer and Snake Venom: Dr. Ardis on Blood Clots After Vaccination.

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2. How to Read an NIH Grant Record

NIH RePORTER is the NIH’s public ledger. Every funded project has a page showing its title, the institute that manages it, the scientist or scientists in charge, the university or company that receives the money, the project’s start and end dates, and the dollars awarded in each fiscal year (the U.S. government’s year, which begins on 1 October). Anyone can search it, free, without an account.

The principal investigator

The principal investigator (PI) is the scientist who leads a project and answers for it. A grant can name one or several. RePORTER files every project under its principal investigators’ names — which also means a scientist does not appear under his or her own name for work paid for by somebody else’s grant. Sections 4 and 7 show examples.

The activity code: what kind of grant it is

The letters and digits at the front of a grant number say what sort of award it is. These are the NIH’s own definitions, from its activity code list, with a plain-words gloss:

The institute

The two letters after the activity code name the part of the NIH that manages the grant. The ones on this page:

So R01AI050484 reads: a standard research grant (R01), managed by NIAID (AI), serial number 050484. The papers in section 4 write the same grant three ways — “AI-050484”, “R01AI50484” and “R01-AI050484” — and all three point to this one record.

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3. The Grants, Decade by Decade

Below is every project RePORTER lists with Karikó or Weissman as a principal investigator, read from the database on 3 October 2026. For each: the subject in plain words, the official title in quotation marks, the institute, the dates, the dollars RePORTER lists, and what the money was for. Totals add up the fiscal years RePORTER shows, so projects still running will grow. The timeline runs from 1990 to 2026, one bar per project, grouped by subject.

Timeline, 1990 to 2026, of the 19 NIH projects that list Katalin Karikó or Drew Weissman as a principal investigator, grouped by subject. HIV projects run from 1998, the anemia mRNA grant from 2007, the oral-antigen grant from 2008 and Karikó’s year leading a stroke grant falls in 2011, all before a dashed line at January 2020 marking the posting of the SARS-CoV-2 genome. No project title names a coronavirus. NIH GRANTS TO KARIKÓ AND WEISSMAN, 1990–2026 One bar per NIH project with Karikó or Weissman as a principal investigator · thin bar = years another scientist led it JANUARY 2020 SARS-CoV-2 genome posted HIV Antigen activation and HIV replication RNA delivery to dendritic cells (R21) RNA delivery to dendritic cells (R01) gp-340 in HIV infection HIV microbicide (R21 → R33) HIV Env vaccine immunogens SIV in immunized monkeys (Tulane) Modified-mRNA HIV vaccine HIV cure strategy (Wistar) → ANEMIA EPO mRNA for anemia (RNARx) STROKE Stroke stress genes (Karikó PI 2011) ORAL ANTIGEN Oral delivery of RNA antigen LATER PROJECTS RNA gene editing, hemophilia A Targeting RNA to blood vessels C. difficile mRNA vaccines → RNA delivery to the heart → Kidney-transplant tolerance (monkeys) → Cross-species kidney transplant → End-stage liver disease → 1990 2000 2010 2020 October 2026 Project periods as NIH RePORTER lists them, read 3 October 2026 · dot = began September 2026 · → = continues past October 2026

Read the picture from left to right: for more than two decades before the dashed January 2020 line, the bars are HIV, anemia, stroke and oral-antigen work — and no project title, on either side of that line, names a coronavirus.

1998–2013: HIV and the immune system

2007–2013: anemia, stroke, an oral antigen, HIV prevention and HIV vaccines

2016–2022: a modified-mRNA HIV vaccine and gene editing

2021 on: delivery, a C. difficile vaccine, the heart, transplants and the liver

Three plain facts about this list. No project title in it names SARS-CoV-2 or COVID-19. RePORTER lists Karikó as principal investigator on two awards only: the RNARx anemia grant and the final year of the stroke grant. And RePORTER files awards by principal investigator, so work the two did with money from other scientists’ grants, from companies or from foundations does not appear here under their names — the papers’ own funding sentences, next, show some of it.

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4. What the Papers Themselves Declare

Each paper below is co-authored by Karikó and Weissman. Each quotation is copied from the paper’s funding or conflict-of-interest statement, and the grant each number belongs to follows in plain words. What each paper found is set out on Karikó and Weissman’s Research, Paper by Paper.

2008 — pseudouridine mRNA (Molecular Therapy; cells and mice)

This work was supported by the National Institutes of Health (NIH) grants NIAID AI-050484, NHLBI HL87688, and NINDS NS-29331. … K.K. and D.W. have formed a small biotech company that receives funding from the NIH to explore the use of nucleoside-modified mRNA for gene therapy.

This is the 2008 paper of the clip title’s “2008 & 2011”.

2010 — pseudouridine mRNA and the PKR enzyme (Nucleic Acids Research; test tube)

The National Institutes of Health (R01AI50484, R21DE019059 to D.W. …)

2011 — modified RNA, OAS and RNase L (Nucleic Acids Research; test tube)

National Institutes of Health (R01AI50484 and R21DE019059 to D.W.; T32GM07229, T32DK07748 and T32RR007063 to B.R.A.; R01NS029331 and R42HL87688 to K.K.; R01CA044059 to R.H.S).

K.K. and D.W. have formed a small biotech company RNARx that receives funding from the National Institutes of Health to explore the use of nucleoside-modified mRNA for gene therapy.

This is the 2011 paper of the clip title.

2012 — erythropoietin mRNA (Molecular Therapy; mice and macaques)

supported by National Institutes of Health (grant number R01NS029331 and R42HL87688 to K.K. …)

2017 — a Zika vaccine (Nature; mice and monkeys)

Supported by the NIH, NIAID Duke Center for HIV/AIDS Vaccine Immunology AI100645.

2019 — HIV mRNA vaccines in rabbits and monkeys (Molecular Therapy – Nucleic Acids; animal study)

D.W. was supported by the NIAID of the NIH under award numbers R01-AI050484, R01-AI124429, and R01-AI084860 and by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation Collaboration for AIDS Vaccine Discovery (CAVD) 0PP1033102.

Side by side

Dr. Ardis gives the declaration as: “We are funded by the NIH NIAID Department, Anthony Fauci’s Department to do mRNA gene therapy.” Across the sentences above, which date from 2008 to 2019, word by word:

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5. What Began in 2009

Dr. Ardis dates the funding from 2009. Here is what the record holds for that year.

The four awards RePORTER lists for fiscal 2009 total $1,195,487, and their titles are about anemia, HIV and an oral antigen. The phase that began in July 2009 has a published result: the 2012 Molecular Therapy paper, in which sub-microgram doses of pseudouridine-containing mRNA encoding erythropoietin raised blood EPO and red-cell production in mice, with macaques also tested — an animal study, not a human trial. Its funding sentence names R42HL87688. How the body uses erythropoietin is shown in the animation How Your Body Makes Red Blood Cells (EPO).

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6. “Anthony Fauci’s Department”

NIAID, the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, was directed by Anthony Fauci from 1984 to 2022. Within those years, RePORTER lists six NIAID-managed projects with Weissman as principal investigator, and every one is an HIV project:

Their listed totals add up to $13,567,768 across fiscal 1999–2019. Karikó’s two awards came from other institutes: NHLBI (the anemia grant) and NINDS (the stroke grant). The NIAID awards with Weissman as a principal investigator that began after 2022 are the C. difficile programme (2023), the monkey kidney-transplant study and the HIV cure strategy (2025), and the cross-species kidney-transplant grant (2026).

One more plain fact connects Weissman with Anthony Fauci directly. The Nobel Committee’s scientific background on the 2023 prize says that after his residency, Weissman

joined Anthony Fauci’s group at the National Institutes of Health (NIH) for a post-doctoral fellowship to investigate how the human immunodeficiency virus type 1 (HIV-1) interacts with target receptors on different types of immune cells.

He joined the University of Pennsylvania in 1997, and his first NIH grant there began the next year. The prize itself is covered on The 2023 Nobel Prize: Karikó and Weissman, and Dr. Fauci’s career on Anthony Fauci.

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7. Where COVID-19 Enters the Record

SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, was first identified in late December 2019 and January 2020; its genome was posted publicly on 10–11 January 2020 — the dashed line in the timeline above. From then on, the record holds two separate lines of COVID-19 vaccine work.

Weissman’s laboratory, 2020: a mouse study

In 2020 the Weissman laboratory published a study of nucleoside-modified mRNA vaccines against SARS-CoV-2 in mice (Immunity; Laczkó and colleagues). It is an animal study: the vaccines were given to mice, not people. Karikó is an author — the paper says she “designed the untranslated region of the mRNA.” Its acknowledgments say, word for word, of Weissman’s funding:

D.W. was supported by grants from the NIAID (AI142596 and AI124429) and BioNTech.

The same acknowledgments list the other authors’ support, including one line specific to coronaviruses: two co-authors “were supported by an administrative supplement to NIH R01 AI129868 for coronavirus research.” The declaration of interests adds that “D.W. and K.K. are named on patents that describe the use of nucleoside-modified mRNA as a platform to deliver therapeutic proteins.”

NIAID’s own Vaccine Research Center, 2020

Separately, government scientists at NIAID’s Vaccine Research Center worked on a COVID-19 vaccine with the company Moderna. Their 2020 Nature paper, by authors from the Vaccine Research Center, Moderna and university laboratories, describes mRNA-1273 — a vaccine whose mRNA encodes a SARS-CoV-2 spike protein “stabilized in the prefusion conformation” — and reports that it protected mice against infection in the lungs and nose. It is a mouse study; the paper notes the vaccine was by then in a phase III trial. Neither Karikó nor Weissman is among its authors. How the 2005 modified-letter discovery reached the COVID-19 vaccines is on From Pseudouridine to the COVID-19 Vaccines.

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8. Their Small Company, RNARx

Here is everything the documents on this page say about RNARx, and nothing more.

One patent of that description is US 8,278,036 B2, “RNA containing modified nucleosides and methods of use thereof”: inventors Katalin Karikó and Drew Weissman; assignee, the Trustees of the University of Pennsylvania; priority date 23 August 2005, filed 21 August 2006, granted 2 October 2012.

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9. How to Check the Record Yourself

  1. Search RePORTER by name. At reporter.nih.gov, search by principal investigator (“Weissman, Drew” or “Kariko, Katalin”). Each project page shows its title, institute, dates and the amount for every fiscal year. Our search on 3 October 2026 returned the 19 projects in section 3.
  2. Look up a grant number. When a paper prints a number such as “AI-050484”, search RePORTER for the project number (R01AI050484) to see its title, institute and holder.
  3. Find the papers. In PubMed, the search Kariko K[au] AND Weissman D[au] returns their 34 joint papers (2000–2022); the link is under PubMed Topic Searches below.
  4. Read the funding sentence. Open a paper’s full text — PubMed Central holds 20 of their 22 joint papers from 2008 on — and find the Acknowledgments or Funding paragraph and the conflict-of-interest or Declaration of Interests paragraph. Grant numbers are printed there, usually with the initials of the scientist who holds each one.
  5. Remember what RePORTER leaves out. It files projects under their principal investigators. A scientist’s share of somebody else’s grant, company money and foundation money appear only in the papers.

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Key Research Papers

  1. Weissman D, Ni H, Scales D, et al. (2000). HIV gag mRNA transfection of dendritic cells (DC) delivers encoded antigen to MHC class I and II molecules, causes DC maturation, and induces a potent human in vitro primary immune response. J Immunol. — PubMed PMID: 11035115
  2. Karikó K, Buckstein M, Ni H, Weissman D (2005). Suppression of RNA recognition by Toll-like receptors: the impact of nucleoside modification and the evolutionary origin of RNA. Immunity. — PubMed PMID: 16111635
  3. Karikó K, Muramatsu H, Welsh FA, et al. (2008). Incorporation of pseudouridine into mRNA yields superior nonimmunogenic vector with increased translational capacity and biological stability. Mol Ther. — PubMed PMID: 18797453
  4. Anderson BR, Muramatsu H, Nallagatla SR, et al. (2010). Incorporation of pseudouridine into mRNA enhances translation by diminishing PKR activation. Nucleic Acids Res. — PubMed PMID: 20457754
  5. Anderson BR, Muramatsu H, Jha BK, et al. (2011). Nucleoside modifications in RNA limit activation of 2'-5'-oligoadenylate synthetase and increase resistance to cleavage by RNase L. Nucleic Acids Res. — PubMed PMID: 21813458
  6. Karikó K, Muramatsu H, Keller JM, Weissman D (2012). Increased erythropoiesis in mice injected with submicrogram quantities of pseudouridine-containing mRNA encoding erythropoietin. Mol Ther. — PubMed PMID: 22334017
  7. Weissman D, Karikó K (2015). mRNA: Fulfilling the Promise of Gene Therapy. Mol Ther. — PubMed PMID: 26321183
  8. Pardi N, Hogan MJ, Pelc RS, et al. (2017). Zika virus protection by a single low-dose nucleoside-modified mRNA vaccination. Nature. — PubMed PMID: 28151488
  9. Pardi N, LaBranche CC, Ferrari G, et al. (2019). Characterization of HIV-1 Nucleoside-Modified mRNA Vaccines in Rabbits and Rhesus Macaques. Mol Ther Nucleic Acids. — PubMed PMID: 30974332
  10. Corbett KS, Edwards DK, Leist SR, et al. (2020). SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccine design enabled by prototype pathogen preparedness. Nature. — PubMed PMID: 32756549
  11. Laczkó D, Hogan MJ, Toulmin SA, et al. (2020). A Single Immunization with Nucleoside-Modified mRNA Vaccines Elicits Strong Cellular and Humoral Immune Responses against SARS-CoV-2 in Mice. Immunity. — PubMed PMID: 32783919

PubMed Topic Searches

  1. PubMed: Papers by Karikó and Weissman together
  2. PubMed: Nucleoside-modified mRNA HIV vaccines
  3. PubMed: Erythropoietin mRNA with pseudouridine

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Connections

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